SF4 Combo Engine Investigation

[Maj]

well, the first and second hit causes float knockdown, the third hit has JP 0, I guess hit 4 has JP 1 and hit 5 has JP 2. Sadly, Dhalsim has no moves with JP 3 or more without being infinite to test this.

Haha i think you're getting JP and JC mixed up. Typos probably, but confusing ones.

Any idea if the first and second hits always create free juggle states? Even if the opponent has already been knocked down or juggled?

http://www.filefront.com/16106085/3xultra2.mkv
This attack could be the last
Thanks for the input, I think this ones better.
Dhalsim reminded me of neo a on that second ultra
I'm confident yoga mummy is out of the question here

Very nice sir. Too bad about the drill, but then again it was long-shot. Badass TAP freeze frame too.

edit: Haha good thing that second TAP doesn't cause counterhit or else this combo would be Training-Mode-only. Nice save, SF4!

[Doopliss]

http://www.filefront.com/16106085/3xultra2.mkv
This attack could be the last
Thanks for the input, I think this ones better.
Dhalsim reminded me of neo a on that second ultra
I'm confident yoga mummy is out of the question here

heh, I'm using s.LK like that in one of my combos in my upcoming video XD

well, the first and second hit causes float knockdown, the third hit has JP 0, I guess hit 4 has JP 1 and hit 5 has JP 2. Sadly, Dhalsim has no moves with JP 3 or more without being infinite to test this.

Haha i think you're getting JP and JC mixed up. Typos probably, but confusing ones.

Any idea if the first and second hits always create free juggle states? Even if the opponent has already been knocked down or juggled?

Yes, I always mix up JP and JC. But I don't feel like testing this, Dhalsims Ultra confuses me enough as it is.

Btw Mienaikage, you don't mind that I use this set up in my combo video, right? I simly start with lvl.3 FA, and end with MP SRK instead of EX SRK. I also found some gread infinite super meter combos using that. Like "FA -> HP SRK xx super -> LP SRK (Honda is close to the corner now) -> Super -> Air EX Tatsu -> Ultra"

[Mienaikage]

You mean like this?

I don't mind at all, you can use whatever you like from my channel

[Doopliss]

Well yeah, but with FA at the beginning instead of counterhit

[Smileymike101]

Minaikage, I also kinda used that setup here http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b9DUMRWzPrE at 8:32.Back then I wasn't a member so I couldn't ask if you mind.

[Doopliss]

Lol, I just did j.HK -> s.Lpx8 with Balrog on standing Abel XD

[Pokey86]

Lol, I just did j.HK -> s.Lpx8 with Balrog on standing Abel XD

8? wtf

Could you do that with a super at the end? that'd mean he's also capable of getting a 10% superwithout FA, heck technically that'd mean Ultra as well

[Doopliss]

well no, because it's "far s.LP, walk forward, far s.LP"

[Smileymike101]

Lol wtf.Vid or lie.

Jk.I belive you, I think...A vid would be nice though

[Doopliss]

It will be in my next combo video. should have enough material soon.

[Pokey86]

I see, gratz


Can you end with a Crouch HK then ^_^

[Doopliss]

nope, it has worse range than far s.LP from what I can see, and the last hit basically hits thin air. And Abel has a really wide upper body hitbox.

[Doopliss]

Zangief and Sakura can do it too, got a 10 hit combo with Gief using it.

[error1]

http://www.filefront.com/16237849/7xfocus.mkv
Seth can do it

[Doopliss]

http://www.filefront.com/16237849/7xfocus.mkv
Seth can do it

Nice, my record is 5. I didn't use trades though, but stun instead

[error1]

http://www.filefront.com/16239747/onreloadcombo.mkv
wanted to do something with this setup so I just ended it with a onreload

[onReload]

i just let out a dumb horsey laugh upon reading the file name

[error1]

getting tired of those rose combos yet

It's interesting to note that hitting an opponent with a fireball during the hit-stun of a move seems to cancel out the push back for both players. Notice how c.mk doesn't knock me back

possible triple trade setup, man I wish I had the other ultra here

edit: http://www.filefront.com/16350919/doubl ... 0combo.mkv

[Maj]

Nice setup dude. But the pushback issue is intuitive if you think about it. You have a fireball connecting after each c.MK connects, while the c.MK is still in impact freeze. Therefore c.MK pushback is replaced by fireball pushback. Fireball pushback is negated by the corner so the end result is no pushback.

[error1]

it makes sense, It just surprised me

[Robyrt]

I dare someone to do combos on sf4 on iphone.....

The iPhone does have some combo quirks - they faked the juggle system, and an input buffer has been added to make links mashable. Most notably, everything is VERY easy to do now. Check this out:

Guile: Flash Kick, focus cancel, EX flash kick (2 hits) -> Command: hold down/forward, SP, F, pause, up+SP
Guile: Flash Kick, focus cancel, backfist
Guile: Anti-air sonic boom, backfist
Ryu: Shoryuken, focus cancel, regular Hadouken
Ryu: fierce, Shoryuken, focus cancel, Ultra -> Command: hold forward, P, SP, F, Ultra button
Ken: Shoryuken (2 hits), focus cancel, Shoryuken (2 hits), focus cancel, Ultra
M.Bison: Hell Attack (2 hits), regular Psycho Crusher (or EX for 2 hits and slightly more damage)
Pretty much anyone: Deep jump-in, Ultra

These are all a simple extension of the final training mode combo for Chun-Li: Corner jump-in, low short x2, EX legs, Ultra, which you can do simply by holding down/back the entire time and pressing the buttons in order.

[error1]

added a hit to the start of the honda ultra glitch combo, but couldn't delay the ultra enough to get that sweet crossup nj.hp
http://www.filefront.com/16658747/hondaultraglitch3.mkv

[Doopliss]

added a hit to the start of the honda ultra glitch combo, but couldn't delay the ultra enough to get that sweet crossup nj.hp
http://www.filefront.com/16658747/hondaultraglitch3.mkv

you couldn't do s.HK afterwards?

[error1]

not on rose. The last hit of hands whiffs unless your super close to her so you don't get much frame advantage out of it. She just has a really bad hitbox for hands combos

[Doopliss]

then maybe you can do it on Guile instead? It's harder to set up though, as his super hits behind him a little.

[Pokey86]

then maybe you can do it on Guile instead? It's harder to set up though, as his super hits behind him a little.

What about Dee Jay?

[Doopliss]

it doesn't work in SSFIV.

[Maj]

You don't need the super with tool-assistance. If you switch charge directions on the right frame in the air, he can continue charging. Standard air time plus impact freeze for a hard attack adds up to 60+ frames for almost every character.

Btw it looks like Honda's gonna be my next character so are you guys planning on releasing a vid of this stuff? You guys should get first dibs and all, but it's been a while and i can't just ignore it.

[Doopliss]

You don't need the super with tool-assistance.

Oh yeah, forgot about that.

[error1]

Pretty sure I couldn't get that opening j.hk vs guile, for one thing gule would loose his charge jumping like that. He is a better hands dummy tho. If you could somehow switch chargers midair ( I wasn't able to do this when I tried ) you still wouldn't have enough time for your ultra to charge to land it off a crossup j.mk. 37 frame jump + 10 frames from impact freeze ( hard impact freeze is 12 frames ) is still around 8 frames off.
Maj if you can do a setup like mine and maintain charge for both guile and honda I would be very impressed
smiley mike seriously needs to do something with it tho