SSF4 Combo Engine Investigation

[Mienaikage]

Apparently s.HP xx HK Rekkukyaku repeat with Fei Long is an infinite on Juri... GJ capcom, if you're gonna restore the move to it's old self, at least try it on all the characters...

Yup, confirmed. I'm guessing it's because of the way her leg sticks out. It's hitbox you can pretty much sit inside.

[Mienaikage]

This is strange, I've been messing around with Abare Tosanami, and it seems only the HK version can cause float :/

[Doopliss]

Huh? Isn't that an Ultra? what do you mean HK version?

[Mienaikage]

With Abare Tosanami you can alter the direction she goes by holding a specific button before reaching the wall. LK is the shortest and HK is the farthest.

[Doopliss]

Oh, I assumed you used the Stick to control that, thanks for the info.

[Mienaikage]

It seems they didn't remove all trade ultra combos. Guile can do it with U2 because Flash Kick is considered grounded after trade ^_^

[Doopliss]

The only ones it DOES apply to from what I've seen is Ryu and Sagat.

[Mienaikage]

The only ones it DOES apply to from what I've seen is Ryu and Sagat.

True, but apart from trading FADC would have been a requirement for them, whereas other characters who can still trade -> Ultra wouldn't have had to use meter anyway, unless I'm forgetting someone.

[error1]

Looking at the frame data for guy close mp, run, stop run, crouching jap should work, might even be able to link into another close mp. with counter hit cl.mp, run stop, cl.mp is sure to work. Anyone want to try it out?

[Mienaikage]

Looking at the frame data for guy close mp, run, stop run, crouching jap should work, might even be able to link into another close mp. with counter hit cl.mp, run stop, cl.mp is sure to work. Anyone want to try it out?

If you're going with the Prima data, some of it is incorrect, but I'll give it a shot.

By the way, Guile is now eligible for the 700 class

Update: I got these to work but only with counter hit.

[error1]

If you're going with the Prima data, some of it is incorrect, but I'll give it a shot.

it is? too bad. If I did the math right It seemed to say you wold be +5 after a runstoped cl.mp but that does seems a little too good

[Doopliss]

The only ones it DOES apply to from what I've seen is Ryu and Sagat.

True, but apart from trading FADC would have been a requirement for them, whereas other characters who can still trade -> Ultra wouldn't have had to use meter anyway, unless I'm forgetting someone.

Cody needs meter to FADC. Seth needs Meter to FADC into U2, at least from DP. Or did you mean on AA? I can't make much sense of your sentence I'm afraid :S

[Mienaikage]

Yeah I meant on AA sorry

[Smileymike101]

Seth doesn't need meter to do Ultra 2, at all, not even from groudned dp.2 or 3 hit dp ~ ultra 2 works, or cr.hp xx dp ~ ultra, or hyakuretsu in corner.

[Doopliss]

Whatever, I want to find that stuff myself.

[Smileymike101]

What's up with shin akuma?He seems to throw 2 air fireballs NON EX, and walks faster.How do you fight him?

[Mienaikage]

What's up with shin akuma?He seems to throw 2 air fireballs NON EX, and walks faster.How do you fight him?

With great difficulty. I have yet to work out his weakness, he's the only AI I haven't beaten on Hardest

[Doopliss]

so lariat/Atomic suplex spam doesn't work? WE'RE DOOMED!

[onReload]

atomic suplex spam? how's that work?

...really wish they had made it like his older versions

[Doopliss]

atomic suplex spam? how's that work?

...really wish they had made it like his older versions

Just atomic suplex, jump over, and do it again as soon as they wake up. In SFIV, it beats hardest Balrog 100% of the time (from my experience), and works quite well vs everyone else.

[Mienaikage]

I believe that does work, but when I play Gief I just end up with Gouken because I just destroy everything.

On a side note, Juri has an odd kara that increases the range of normal moves.

[onReload]

Awesome....but yeah the Suplex spamming I wouldn't even risk on Balrog, you can Lariat him to death and all he does is try and TAP through it, which will only work if you mess up the timing between Lariats.Though, maybe Shin Orochi God Balrog in Super IV is different ;B

[Doopliss]

I feel doing lariat is more risky than doing Atomic suplex on Balrog, but that might be because I haven't really tried

[onReload]

I did every Survival/Time Attack and Arcade Mode run with Zangief, and let me tell ya...it works beautifully. Sometimes he'll block the first two spins then get hit by the third, sometimes he'll be ready to attack after the first 3 don't hit, but then if you quickly start a new Lariat, he'll get Counter Hit. He will never Ultra/Super/EX Headbutt on wakeup, so you can (and have to) stay flush against him as he wakes up...Unlike Fei Long, who is cake from a slight distance (including Ultra) unless you try to Lariat right up against him as he wakes up, 'cause then he'll do Shienkyaku.

So in SFIV, it's not just about spamming the Lariat - it's about knowing how to spam it!

[Doopliss]

Yes, I know how to spam it against everyone, except Balrog (I use the suplex instead), E.honda (Sumo smash is very random imo) and Cammy (too cannon spike-happy, I just bait spiral arrows and quick spin knuckle). I've done all the time attacks and survivals twice.

[Rufus]

For those of you using PPads, SSFIV appears to run slightly slower (~59.85.. fps) than NTSC on my XBox VGA set-up.

[Mienaikage]

Guile has the 2 greatest techniques ever:

Flash kick FADC Autocorrect Shades (he turns his back to put the shades on ) and Kara shades (2+HK~HP)

[CPS2]

lol kara shades, so high level

can you kara shades with focus attack? MP+MK~2HP+HK? oh god I hope so...

[Doopliss]

with Dan, d+HP+HK is a command move, and therefore has less move priority than FA. So I don't think it will work.

[Mienaikage]

lol kara shades, so high level

can you kara shades with focus attack? MP+MK~2HP+HK? oh god I hope so...

Unfortunately not