SSF4:AE Combo Engine Investigation

[Rufus]

The SRK post of armor cancel stuff has me wondering whether armor cancel is possible for non-ex 'armor' specials like Cross Counter, Kongoshin, or Kasatushi.

[Doopliss]

The SRK post of armor cancel stuff has me wondering whether armor cancel is possible for non-ex 'armor' specials like Cross Counter, Kongoshin, or Kasatushi.

I know kongoshin works, not sure about the other two. Juri might not work if it doesn't have instant start-up. Can Dudley do it at all?

[Rufus]

I know kongoshin works, not sure about the other two. Juri might not work if it doesn't have instant start-up. Can Dudley do it at all?

I recall there was a thing where Juri could counter double-hit moves with regular (kara xx) ex counter, but the frame data at SRK indicates that her regular counter and Dudley's both have 3 frames of start-up. Not that anyone should bother testing, but not I also wonder if you can get an extra hit of armor for kk->kkk or pp->ppp ex plinks.

[Doopliss]

Do we know with which patch they removed the possibility to trade out of:

Seth QCB+K
Bison U1
Honda U1
Yang U1 (was it in v.2012 or an unnamed patch for AE?)

And when was the Adon counterhit-super-causing-s.MK thing patched?

James Chen is compiling a list of SFIV version changes, and these are not in any change log. Any other unlisted changes anyone here know about?

[Rufus]

Do we know with which patch they removed the possibility to trade out of:
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James Chen is compiling a list of SFIV version changes, and these are not in any change log. Any other unlisted changes anyone here know about?

If they came out with the patches on the PC version, it should be relatively easy for someone like Error1 that can parse the move info to work out the changes.

[error1]

I should be able to find those, pc didn't get every patch, is there a list of patches somewhere?
Super wasn't released for pc but has some movefiles in the ae files. The pc has like 7 total updates with move changes.

[Doopliss]

I should be able to find those, pc didn't get every patch, is there a list of patches somewhere?
Super wasn't released for pc but has some movefiles in the ae files. The pc has like 7 total updates with move changes.

The list of versions I found when researching updates:

Arcade SFIV
Console SFIV
Championship mode patch to SFIV
SSFIV
Tournament mode patch to SSFIV
AE (a.k.a v.1.05)
v.2012 (a.k.a v.1.06)
Minor glitch-fixing patch to v.2012 (a.k.a v.1.07)

If you get a lot of info out of it, you should send it all to jchensor, I'm sure he'd appreciate it.

[error1]

with pc I can't check Arcade SFIV, Console SFIV, and SSFIV. So that kind of limits what I can do

[Doopliss]

with pc I can't check Arcade SFIV, Console SFIV, and SSFIV. So that kind of limits what I can do

While Vanilla SSFIV had the most unlisted changes, it's still better than nothing.

[Pokey86]

With Gouken VS Sagat

Jump in fierce (Low to ground) -> Stand Fierce -> MP Hadou -> Crouch HP -> MP Hadou

anyone know the Frame advantage on hit after that? I seem so close to linking it in to Ultra 2 but it's just not getting there.

[ilitirit]

http://www.slitherware.com/sf4-show-off/

[Smileymike101]

Sooooo....what's up with proximity blocking OS?

[Doopliss]

Sooooo....what's up with proximity blocking OS?

We're having a small discussion here.

That said, what's up with you? Haven't seen you for ages!

[Snoooootch]

That said, what's up with you? Haven't seen you for ages!

Too Busy being a Romanian Pop star?

[Doopliss]

That said, what's up with you? Haven't seen you for ages!

Too Busy being a Romanian Pop star?

I want to hear more about that, sounds interesting.

[Smileymike101]

Haha, Snootch is obviously exagerating. But i have been investing a lot of my time into bettering my chances of getting in the music world (singing lessons and physical trining). I've participated in some festivals and competitions and won some trophies. Nothing too big yet, but it has become my greatest ideal.I've gained a role model after which i've set some high standards so i can always improve.
As for my inactivity, well, mostly that, but i have also started dedicating my SF4 to actually playing it, and i've started winning most of our locals (with Balrog ) ). Coupled with just finishing 12th and entering college (with a couple of big exams along the way) that's kinda it.

[Snoooootch]

Can ken Kara u2 by scootching forward a bit after doingç d,df,d,df,f+m.k,plink kkk? Does he scootch forward? Or does he stay in the same position?

[Smileymike101]

He steps forward.

[Snoooootch]

Sweet, now I can land a meaty far st. mp to Kara U2. Gonna try it real quick. Thanks Pop star.

[Doopliss]

error, I don't know why I never asked you this, but do you know why you can hit the grab part of Ibuki's U1 on a crumpled opponent that has entered the airborne phase? I can't make sense of it.

[Maj]

What about Vega's Izuna Drop and Guy's Bushin flip grab? Maybe it's like those except with a terrible hitbox. What happens when you try it against Dhalsim's j.LP?

edit: Actually that might not prove anything if it doesn't work, because i doubt Dhalsim's throwable box extends with his limbs.

[Doopliss]

If it could catch airborne people, then you wouldn't be able to jump out of it, right? Or maybe you can't airgrab pre-jump frames?

[Pokey86]

Could it have the same characteristic as Yangs U2, which animates on crumple but never on float

[Doopliss]

Could it have the same characteristic as Yangs U2, which animates on crumple but never on float

I don't think so. Quite sure Ibuki's U2 has that property too btw.

But Ibuki's U1 is still a grab from what I can see, and shouldn't be able to hit anyone in the air ever.

[error1]

https://www.dropbox.com/s/yisakz1j95wb1 ... .02.36.png

As you can see she has two hitboxes at the start, one vs ground and one vs air.
The one vs air has a y= -.75, and a width of .15 meaning it probably looks a lot like rolento's Take No Prisoners hitbox.
In theory I think it would grab someone jumping, but they would need a hitbox on the floor. There has to be some kind of move with air born frames that is on the ground you can test it on, like a back dash in the corner.

[Doopliss]

Ok, thanks. Weird how they did it like that, when no one else has that property on their command grab (That I know of).

[Doopliss]

Does anybody remember a set-up for Akuma to combo after EX Demon flip xx EX Zanku? I don't remember if it only works with the right distance from the corner, or if it works everywhere.

[Doopliss]

Did they fix Balrog's U1 to Super? Can't land it anymore.

[error1]

it should still work, you need k version of the super, and be the right distance from the corner

[Doopliss]

The reason I can't land it is probably because of the wonky hitboxes during the spinny knockdown state.