SSF4 Combo Engine Investigation

[onReload]

It's not *that* hard, and I don't know frame data, but doesn't Tiger Uppercut have more impact freeze than Shienkyaku? and do we know Angry Scar's recovery time?

...but if someone just "hears that it's super cancelable" then...well c'mon now. wait for videos or the game itself, THEN yell at sagat

[Doopliss]

Well, it surely recovers faster than a FADC, as you can see in that video when he does c.MP xx Angry scar -> c.LK or something.

And I can do shienkyaku xx super on a good day

[Smileymike101]

I didnt just hear that is super cancelable.Alioune, the guy who made those SSF4 combos, said this: "i will test something else next time . St hk (counter hit) > angry scar > ultra on standing opponent " .This means that either angry scar is considered a super cancel (most likely), or that standing roundhouse is special cancelable now (no way).That also shows that angry scar does indeed grant alot of frame advantage, and that stuff like cr.mp xx Angry Scar ~ cr.mp may be possible.

Also, if it really is super cancel, screw TU xx Angry Scar ~ U1. TU xx Angry Scar ~ TU xx Angry Scar ~ U1 FTW.

[Doopliss]

Lol, I actually thought about that as well maybe even:

TU xx Angry scar -> TU xx Angry scar -> EX TU -> U1

[Smileymike101]

Too bad we ain't gonna do that without ppads or macros...ever....

[Doopliss]

It' not that hard, TU is kinda slow. Alhthough, I have never been able to do ultra after EX TU when it juggled someone.

[Smileymike101]

You gotta hit them while jumping or something.It's pretty hard.It's in one of desk's videos i belive.

[Doopliss]

Also normally, Tu FADC EX TU Ultra 1 doesn't work.the 4 hits of the EX TU that juggle dont launch enough.You gotta hit them while jumping or something.

Angry scar has less recovery than FADC, so it actually might work now. Time will tell.

[Smileymike101]

Umm...No, time will not tell anything.We'll tell after some time passes lol.

[Doopliss]

ಠ_ಠ

[Pokey86]

Umm...No, time will not tell anything.We'll tell after some time passes lol.

lol...

Also if you buffer SRK you have more time to input another motion


say Dash -> SRK -> Scar -> Dash -> SRK -> Scar -> Dash -> SRK -> Scar -> Dash -> SRK

That is presuming that Scarred SRK has a JP of 4+ not likely

[Doopliss]

That would be so deliciously OP.

[Mienaikage]

Unfortunately the build in use was some sort of demo build, which only had versus, no training available, so unfortunately I got to try a lot less than I thought I would have been able to.

Unless I managed to mess up every single time, Seth seems to be unable to ultra while a sonic boom is on the screen now. Goodbye Seth unblockable.

I don't think Seth has had any juggle potential added to his moves, I tried SRK and I tried EX Sonic Boom. No luck getting those to connect.

I didn't have time to try out Seth's 2nd Ultra

standing roundhouse is special cancelable now (no way).

Way. Angry Scar seems to be a special cancel not a super cancel. You can indeed special cancel the standing roundhouse. You can do s.HK xx AS -> TU xx FADC -> f+HK -> Ultra.
Angry Scar input was QCBx2+P

Ryu's HP SRK (and I assume MP SRK) has juggle potential. Metsu SRK appears to have similar properties to Ken's Shinryuken in that you don't get the full Ultra unless the opponent is in float.

I couldn't link AA lk Tomahawk Buster to Ultra.

Honda's U2 was 720+PPP.

Makoto can kara her regular throw, her command throw, her overhead, her dash punch etc. Basically she can kara almost everything off of f+lk.

Dee Jay can link c.lp into c.mk for an untechable knockdown. When using him I pretty much abused light chains into it . His Ultra 2 is also an excellent anti air.


I'm going to get a little rest because I have a bit of a headache, I'll update if I remember anything I've missed out.

[Doopliss]

Thanks, that's some good (well, bad, but you get my point) info, thanks. EX SB should REALLY have some JP. Seth can't do anything with 1 ex bar combowise.

[Pokey86]

Thanks, that's some good (well, bad, but you get my point) info, thanks. EX SB should REALLY have some JP. Seth can't do anything with 1 ex bar combowise.

lol huh??

Focus -> Crouch fierce -> J.MP -> EX SRK

That's pretty good when you consider alot of the cast can't do much with EX.

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Thanks for the info Mien, i heard a while ago Seth can't ultra while a boom is on screen. But his ultra is still an instant punish though, so it's not all bad... If his new ultra has some special characteristics then it'l probably by the viable selection (Depends how much damage it does to)

Angry scar seems dangerous, does it have I-frames?

[Doopliss]

Thanks, that's some good (well, bad, but you get my point) info, thanks. EX SB should REALLY have some JP. Seth can't do anything with 1 ex bar combowise.

lol huh??

Focus -> Crouch fierce -> J.MP -> EX SRK

That's pretty good when you consider alot of the cast can't do much with EX.

But you need EX tanden to continue the combo.

[Pokey86]

Seth can stilldo alotmorethan most of the cast without EX. & the ones who can do more usually have to rely alot on very specific hitboxes or set ups. But yeah with EX Seth can do some sick stuff ^_^

[Doopliss]

But I want it sicker! XD

[Mienaikage]

I'm hoping I can do more at the next event. The last one was fun, but their TVs were by far the worst TVs to demonstrate a fighting game on. You could see the lag, and I confirmed it for myself by moving my stick back and forth. Before we switched all the consoles to 720p it was at least something between 5-10 frames of delay ;_;.

[Doopliss]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sfUZAACkZ78

I'm scared.

[Pokey86]

yeah apparently it's HP -> Teleport -> Ultra

Which seems pretty crazy to me that a move that looks so bad can have such a useful execution... i mean it doesn't even matter what QCF it is, i imagine you could just mash it out after a HP... dangerous

[Doopliss]

QCF? I'ts U, U+KKK. And I like the way it looks

[Pokey86]

QCF? I'ts U, U+KKK. And I like the way it looks

UU KKK wtf?

& you like the way it looks... are you insane? it looks awful.


I used to like you Doopliss... You used to be cool.

[Doopliss]

But now I'm just a thug? D:

But no, I like the animation. He doesn't keep spinning with his lower body like some people think.

[Smileymike101]

I always thought that was going to be possible while people were saying "worst ultra EVEEER!!"

[Doopliss]

I thought the ultra was simply too slow, or that teleport cpuldn't be cancelled that fast. This probably wont work on Guy though: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Ujxx6fK9Mc

[Smileymike101]

Replace standing fierce with crouching fierce.There, problem solved.Yes, it's harder to hit confirm into, but still doable after st.jab, j.mk crossup or smthg, demon flip dive kick.

[Doopliss]

Still going to own a lot of Akuma players who have s.HP deep in their muscle memory :3

[Pokey86]

I thought the ultra was simply too slow, or that teleport cpuldn't be cancelled that fast. This probably wont work on Guy though: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Ujxx6fK9Mc

That is the gayest stun animation ever... i guarantee that is gonna hurt me at least once... i am an Akuma player

[Smileymike101]

I wonder, does HP xx gadouken also wiff?Will he be the new crouching chun li, where projectiles hit meaty if you cancel a hard normal that doesn't stand up?