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[Maj]

Do you guys delete spam comments from your videos or don't care/bother/notice?

[Xenozip.]

I block the user and mark the comment as spam. I don't delete it though unless it's on my user page.

[error1]

I don't care my self but I've never gotten real spamy comments

[Maj]

Okay, i'll either mark it as spam or delete it, and block any usernames that i recognize from having posted spam before. Looks like marking a comment as spam doesn't subtract it from the comment count but removing it obviously does.

[Xenozip.]

I do it because I'm OCD and for no other reason. When you mark something as spam in gmail it actually goes into a database that affects how gmail auto-blocks spams for every gmail user, but I doubt youtube does that. Or at least I'd be surprised if it did. But I do it anyway.

[error1]

I think youtube does something like that. I had this one post that when I went to the video to reply it was hidden as spam. It didn't seem very spamy ( but was in 1337 speek ) so I think youtube autospams some thing but I can't be sure it wasn't another viewer.

[Xenozip.]

Anyway it's true you can boost your viewcount just by using key words like "girl", "boob", "oppai", and such things for the title/description/tags.

I have no idea if there will be a mass of users that will 1* bomb it just because it's not soft porn because I disabled ratings on the videos where I've done this. But it's technically not intentionally misleading since the times I've done this the title/tags were technically relevant to the content, TECHNICALLY.

Examples. The "Oppai Smashu" video that was entirely newbie Akatsuki play is sitting on 1,600 plus views whereas the the two videos recorded on the same day with similar content and different title/tags are sitting on 400 views each which are probably from my 700+ subscribers. And on my art account the "Girl" video is now at 1,000 plus views where all other videos on that account are less than 50, and I have zero subscribes on that account. I can only imagine what would have happened if I had tagged a Marilyn video (who has really large floppy breasts) with "tits" or "cleavage".

So this is all the more reason viewcount doesn't mean anything to me. Or the search function. It totally whiffs the target audience and as with the example of IaMP is bogus anyway. If I want people to know about a video I post on a forum or irc where my target audience is.

[Magnetro]

So speaking of thousands of view counts for crappy vid.

I got a letter message from youtube like the one Maj got:

Your video MvC2 - Magneto Tutorial has become popular on YouTube, and you're eligible to apply for the YouTube Partnership Program, which allows you to make money from playbacks of your video.

Once you're approved, making money from your video is easy. Here's how it works: First sign into your YouTube account. Then, complete the steps outlined here: http://www.youtube.com/ivp?v=IWW2IkIsfGk. Once you're finished, we'll start placing ads next to your video and pay you a share of the revenue as long as you meet the program requirements.

We look forward to adding your video to the YouTube Partnership Program. Thanks and good luck!

The YouTube Team

It's funny how much success that video has had....I didn't even have comments enabled ANDDDDDDDD I made the entire video in 2 days like 2 or 3 years ago. I didn't even make it so public until Maj told me to. Thanks for the words of encouragement, Maj, I shall be rich because of you.

[error1]

that make me really wonder what there criteria for doing that is

[Xenozip.]

Dunno, my Akuma vid is still only 28k since 2k6. His hit 34k since 2k7. But I'm guessing 2k7 isn't when he took it off private. Maybe they look for very large and sudden view spikes.

[Magnetro]

I took it off private today.

So yeah, I guess somewhere, someone linked it all over the place. Cause SRK sure as hell doesn't have 10k marvel players.

I guess it spiked up on youtube when marvel2 for psn/360 came out.

So the popularity was clearly there. I mean, people hear or watch videos of crazy Mag players all the time, so IMO, it was during that influx that the video got the most hits. Still, it was private, mannnn.... wonder how many hits it woulda gotten by now if it was set to normal.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XAE781xmHLc Joo's DVD Preview has 40k and it has been up for about a year now. But that's cause Capcomunity posted it on their blog and I think it was posted on rand other non-srk sites after capcom did it.

[Xenozip.]

Sorry I just have to link this.

It's one of my art videos where I'm digitally painting a female character. The one tag it has is "art" and the description is "Quick practice." and it's categorized as "Education". The only reason this somehow got over 1,000 views while everything else on that account got less than 50 is because the title is "Girl".

And you can see why: at least 700 views just from related videos.. that aren't related at all.

But this also brings up something else about youtube. Two people favorite'd that video and I can't see who did. While that information is meaningless on my main account, I'd actually like to know who favorite'd stuff on my art account.

[Maj]

Is it supposed to take 45 minutes to encode a 90-second video with MeGUI?

We really need an H.264 encoding thread.

[Xenozip.]

Depends if you're resizing it or not. If it's the same dimensions for input and output, then hell no it's not supposed to take that long.

But I never tried MeGUI, I always just use virtualdub or Premiere. And wmm if I'm ridiculously lazy.

[error1]

depends on how many passes your doing, I normally don't go over 2. Also depends on your cpu because it's a cpu intensive process. There are so many other factors that can affect time no one can really say how long it will take. For me vdub takes a lot longer.

[Maj]

Maybe i have some setting enabled that makes it super optimized. I'll mess around with it when i have time. For now i'm pretty happy with the quality, though that weird intro artifact i mentioned is back. And this time it's in my MP4 file too, so i'm thinking it's an encoding issue. Since u2b supposedly uses the same H.264 codec, that would explain the first one as well.

Also random note: If you want to see a comment that has been neg'd to invisibilty, you can click Reply and it'll show up.

[error1]

strange, do you combine your videos in the avisynth scripts or do it in your video editing program?

[Maj]

Nah i make the videos in AfterEffects so they're complete before i encode them. Maybe it has something to do with the way H.264 handles backgrounds. Maybe it thinks that cloud is part of the background from the moment it shows up until the first game clip appears.

Also i just found this:

To enable monetization for video game or software walk-throughs, use of the video game or software user interface must be minimal and the associated commentary must provide instructional or educational value. Videos simply showing a user playing a video game or the use of software for extended periods of time will not be accepted for monetization.

Incredibly lame. They want us describing combos instead of recording them?

[error1]

well a combo video is not a walk through, I think there mostly hating on lets plays.
You might ask the tasers about the artifact they have some expert encoders over there

[Xenozip.]

Actually the wording that gets me is "playing a video game or the use of software for extended periods of time..."

In other words Maj is probably right, they don't want game footage, they want reviews or documentaries. Even if you argue that combo videos with input display are for educational purposes they are still probably invalid because the footage is entirely of the game being played (human controlled or not). The technicalities are probably based around copyright infringement worries. It's a gray area so they avoid it entirely to ensure no possibility of copyright infringement.

[Maj]

Well, actually i think we win that argument (by a slim margin) but the problem is nobody would be willing to listen. Whenever u2b rejects anything, it's always through some automated bullshit and it's impossible to talk directly to anyone human. In fact i even called u2b today to ask why my partnership application was stuck in processing for three weeks and it was actually google's main number replaying nothing but automated messages. When i finally found the customer support option, the nice robot lady said "google doesn't offer live customer support at this time." The end.

It's pretty hard to make the argument that some douchebag can spend 20 minutes recording his opinion over poorly shot game footage and call it a legally protected review, while me spending 30+ hours on a 91-second clip isn't a transformative work. But like i said, it's pretty hard to find someone who'll listen, especially in a giant soulless corporation bleeding money.

What's sad is, if this is really the problem holding me back, u2b won't even bother saying so.

Man, i really need to start selling sonichurricane shirts or something. YJDB?

[Xenozip.]

Like I said, it's a gray area for them. They don't care if your video is legit, or if their rule makes sense. The issue is that it MIGHT not be, and they don't know. They are just avoiding the whole situation entirely to protect themselves because they can't review every situation on a per-case scenario.

You probably would win the arguement.

But the issue is that video game companies are selling what -- the video game experience. If you're making a video of an RPG being played then why would anyone who watched it go buy it? I can safely say if I watched any final fantasy playthough I would not bother buying it because I just got the same experience. It would be like recording yourself reading through a visual novel with multiple path choices, not everyone will do it the same way but you still redistributed part of the experience. Which is literally like redistributing a product that isn't yours (copyright infringement). You can spend five days tracing something and another five days building a website to show it off, but all those efforts don't make it legal.

Now, fighting game combo videos are not nearly even in the same vein as an RPG, so yeah we'd win, but they don't see it that way. They see "video games".

Look at it from their perspective. "Is this going to cause lawsuits" .. "We don't know, most of them won't in this genre but some of them theoretically could from this genre" .. "Can't review them all. Can't take the risk then".

But there could still be hope. I think some StarCraft channels/videos are monetized and all they do is post match videos technically.

[onReload]

How do companies like Capcom feel about combo makers selling DVDs of their stuff? I doubt they've released any official statements, but it's a fair analogy to releasing combos on YouTube, so if they don't care as much, maybe it would let YT know that they wouldn't be in danger of seeing C&Ds.

[Maj]

Capcom has been relatively cool about it. I don't think they've ever complained about Evo DVDs or anything similar. On the other hand, Sega threatened to sue SRK over Evo DVD sales the one year that VF5 was featured. They asked for all kinds of accounting paperwork and then kinda backed down when they saw that there wasn't even any profit being made. Though SRK stopped selling that disc after that happened, and i doubt a Sega game is ever gonna headline Evo again.

Common sense isn't worth much in the corporate world. Unfortunately if they want to shoot themselves in the foot (as they often do), it's their right. I mean, our videos have shown up on the Capcom blog on several occasions. There are tons of channels on u2b making money off game footage; even reposting trailers. Consistency is an illusion. That website has so many exceptions, it's hard to tell what the rules are.

Bottom line is, i can make a pretty decent argument defending myself if given the chance. But that's proving impossible to arrange because google is well on their way to replacing all their employees with software.

[Xenozip.]

Yeah, that's how the myth about not making money means it's legal gets perpetuated, when it's not. If it's copying data that isn't entirely yours then it's copyright infringement regardless if it's for profit or not. Sega backed down when they saw there was no money there, but that's because Sega knew it would cost money to make a suit out of it and they'd gain nothing in return, so they lose time and money just to fuck with small fry. Had it been Disney the story would be different. Disney would not have backed down because that's how Disney rolls.

Also there's a lot of illegal music on u2be as well, lord knows I use copyrighted music for my videos all the time. But I'm not a u2be partner or trying to get those vids monetized, so my vids are left alone. But if I try to post a Hayao Miyazaki film on u2be you better believe it will instantly get taken down and my account could get suspended because Disney don't fuck around and u2be knows it. U2be isn't really small fry either so they have to protect themselves from what their users could get them into.

[Maj]

Dear sonichurricanedotcom,

Thank you for your interest in the YouTube Partner Program. Our goal is to extend invitations to as many partners as we can. Unfortunately we are unable to accept your application at this time. Your account does not contain sufficient original new content that represents the uniqueness of our community.


Applications are reviewed for a variety of criteria, including but not limited to the size of your audience, country of residence, quality of content, and consistency with our Community Guidelines and Terms of Use. Please review the program qualifications (http://www.youtube.com/partners) for a complete list of our criteria.

As we continue to expand we hope to be able to accept a broader group of partners. We have registered your interest in the program and will continue to monitor your account for potential future acceptance into the program.

Thank you for your understanding.

Community Guidelines: http://www.youtube.com/t/community_guidelines
Terms of Use: http://www.youtube.com/t/terms

Am i going to have to see every possible rejection form letter before i finally get in?

[Maj]

Talking shit!

I wonder if i can get banned from u2b.

[Doopliss]

Maybe you could just upload some "original new content"? Just film some shit with a video camera? XD Maybe you could rant? You write some good stuff on your site, just record it and put it on YT XD

[error1]

you need to find an online gaming magazine site like escapistmagazine.com that's willing to pay you for content.

[Magnetro]

Yes. A more direct approach like Error01 says. If a human being from youtube ever gives you the OK, then you'll be set I guess. I think it's best to look at other possibilities in the meantime.