SSF4:AE Combo Engine Investigation

[Rufus]

Any thoughts on this silly thing:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fSxiakL30Oo

[Doopliss]

Would you mind testing it with Sagat for me? I'm waiting for the disc version of AE so i'm not gonna have it until the 28th at the earliest.

From what I can tell, they're both still in.

Any thoughts on this silly thing:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fSxiakL30Oo

Noticed a similar thing, where I FA absorbed one hit, a 2nd hit connected at my feet, then it disolved.

[Maj]

Sweet, thanks. Just planning ahead.

[onReload]

http://shoryuken.com/2011/06/17/ssf4ae- ... le-wakeup/

this glitch might be interesting for meaty combo setups, so get 'em in before they patch it out

[error1]

well he already has an invincible dash, right?
not being able to safe jump yang after a throw is kind of a big deal tho if they don't patch it.
hope they don't patch until the pc version is released

[Pokey86]

Fuck the twins & there ambiguous everything.

Yun:

Close Forward: MK

JP0 - Float - Float

Dive Kick:

JP1 - Stun - Reset

Forward Fierce: F + HP

JP1 - SKD - SKD

Target Combo:

1st: JP0 - Stun - Reset
2nd: JP0 - Stun - Reset
3rd: JP0 - Float - Float

Rush Punch All Normal

JP1 - SKD - SKD

Rush Punch: EX

1st: JP0 - Stun - SKD
2nd: JP1 - SKD - SKD

Dragon Kick: All Normal

1st: JP0 - SKD - SKD
2nd: JP1 - SKD - SKD

Dragon Kick: EX

1st: JP1+ - Float - Float
2nd: JP2 - SKD - SKD

Palm: Normal Palm

JP0 - Float - Float

Palm: EX

JP0 - Float* - Float*

*Causes Wallbounce

Shoulder: LP

JP0 - Stun - SKD

Shoulder: MP/HP

JP0 - SKD - SKD

Shoulder: EX

1st: JP2 - Stun - SKD
2nd: JP2 - SKD* - SKD*

*Severely limits Juggle potential when hit against a non-juggled opponent

Super: Genei Gin

- all Ground Normals now cause SKD when hitting an airborne target.
- All attacks are now JPX
- Rush Punch now has 3 hits
- shoulder now has 2 hits.
- Ultra 1 Can no longer go in to animation, All hits cause Float & Maintain Current Juggle Point (JPX+ - Float - Float)
- Ultra 2 is now JPX but has an alternate AUTO combo on 5th hit.

Ultra 1: You Hou

1st: JP1 - Auto - Auto
2nd: JP2 - Float - Float
3rd: JP3 - Float - Float
4th: JP4 - Float - Float

Ultra 2:

1st: JP0 - Stun - SKD
2nd: JP0 - Stun - SKD
3rd: JP0 - Stun - SKD
4th: JP0 - Stun - SKD
5th: JP1 - AUTO - AUTO

Yang:

Close Forward: MK

JP0 - Float - Float

Far Strong: MP

JP1 - Stun - Reset

Far Fierce: HP

JP1 - Stun - Reset

Crouch Short: LK

JP1 - Stun - Reset

Target Combo:

1st: JP0 - Stun - Reset
2nd: JP0 - Stun - Reset
3rd: JP1 - SKD - SKD

Dive Kick:

JP1 - Stun - Reset

Rekka: All Normal

1st: JP0 - Stun - SKD
2nd: JP0 - Stun - SKD
3rd: JP0 - SKD - SKD

Rekka: EX

1st: JP1 - Stun - SKD
2nd: JP2 - Stun - SKD
3rd: JP3 - Stun - SKD
4th: JP4 - Stun - SKD
5th: JP5 - SKD - SKD

Palm: MP

JP0 - Stun - SKD

Palm: HP

JP0 - SKD - SKD

Palm: EX

JP0 - Float* - Float*

*Cause Wallbounce

Dragon Kick: LK

1st: JP0 - SKD* - SKD*
2nd: JP2 - SKD - SKD

* Adds 2 points of JP to a non juggled enemy. Acts normally otherwise

Dragon Kick: MK/HK

1st: JP1 - SKD* - SKD*
2nd: JP2 - SKD - SKD

* Adds 2 points of JP to a non juggled enemy. Acts normally otherwise

Dragon Kick: EX

1st: JP1 - SKD* - SKD*
2nd: JP3 - SKD - SKD
3rd: JP4 - SKD - SKD

* Adds 2 points of JP to a non juggled enemy. Acts normally otherwise

Ultra:

JP0 - AUTO - AUTO

Ultra 2:

1st: JP0 - AUTO - AUTO
2nd: JPX - SKD - SKD
3rd: JPX - SKD - SKD
4th: JPX - SKD - SKD
5th: JPX - SKD - SKD
6th: JPX - SKD - SKD

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EDIT NOTES:

- Yuns forward HP is JP1 not 0
- Added Genei Gin notes
- Fixed minor errors
- Added JP to Yangs Target
- Yuns Target causes Float
- Added Ultra info for Yun
- Ammended EX Shoulders properties.

[Doopliss]

Quite sure Yun's "MP, HP, b.HP" target combo causes float, and that th 3rd hit of yang's has JP1.

Grounded You Hou causes float. When juggled into, I think it raises JP by 1.

Shoulder: EX

1st: JP1 - Stun - SKD
2nd: JP2 - SKD* - SKD

*EX shoulder knocks down, but it doesn't seem like you can juggle from it. Juggling with genei-jin after it works though, if you bend the rules by using 5 bars.

Yun U2:
1st: JP0 - Stun - SKD
2nd: JP0 - Stun - SKD
3rd: JP0 - Stun - SKD
4th: JP0 - Stun - SKD
5th: JP1 - AUTO - AUTO

I managed to juggle into the animation by connecting the 3rd or 4th hit, then the 5th one.

[Pokey86]

Quite sure Yun's "MP, HP, b.HP" target combo causes float, and that th 3rd hit of yang's has JP1.

Yeah, you're right on both accounts

Grounded You Hou causes float. When juggled into, I think it raises JP by 1.

Yup

Shoulder: EX

1st: JP1 - Stun - SKD
2nd: JP2 - SKD* - SKD

*EX shoulder knocks down, but it doesn't seem like you can juggle from it. Juggling with genei-jin after it works though, if you bend the rules by using 5 bars.

Yeah you can, but i swear i can only hit a MP after, everything else fails. even MP -> Rush punch whiffs the rush punch.

Yun U2:
1st: JP0 - Stun - SKD
2nd: JP0 - Stun - SKD
3rd: JP0 - Stun - SKD
4th: JP0 - Stun - SKD
5th: JP1 - AUTO - AUTO

I managed to juggle into the animation by connecting the 3rd or 4th hit, then the 5th one.

Cool added.

[Doopliss]

You can juggle after Dragon Kicks during Genei-Jin, with the LK one it's actually quite easy.

Also, whiff-animation U1 doesn't seem to work like you say. If I only get hits 2-4 to connect, I can't hit with EX Dragon kick afterwards, not even the 2nd hit seems to work.

[Pokey86]

You can juggle after Dragon Kicks during Genei-Jin, with the LK one it's actually quite easy.

Also, whiff-animation U1 doesn't seem to work like you say. If I only get hits 2-4 to connect, I can't hit with EX Dragon kick afterwards, not even the 2nd hit seems to work.

You always gotta go & fuck things up...





Fixed. EX Shoulder is JP2 for each hit, it was doing my head in that rush puch would hit after hits 2-4 of U1 but the first hit of his EX Shoulder was registering. (Does 80 damage, second hit does 70) But it's done now.

I still think there are Genei gin moves that maintain juggle state.

hopefully that's everything

[Doopliss]

DeeJay, close s.HK:

1st: JP0 - Stun - SKD
2nd: JP1 - Stun - SKD

Seems Juri's fireball kick works like this, all versions except maybe HK, where the projectile might have lower JP, dunno:

Kick: JP1 - SKD - SKD
Projectile: JP2 - Stun - SKD

Btw, I have 37 combos for my AE CV now... Problem is I got no theme. No music ideas, no name. This usually comes to me while working on the combos, god damn it >: I'll try to get it up by tomorrow though, I don't have time to wait for Desk any longer.

[Pokey86]

Musics never really been priority for me. & as for names, i even had a brainstorming session & still didn't pick a name.

I'll look in to the Juri thing.

[Doopliss]

I think I'll go with a SF4 theme on the music, unoriginally enough. I've done that for my first SFIV AND my first SSFIV combo video, so why break the chain now? I do want an interesting name though, not just "SSFIV AE CV"... I'm thinking about something like "skipping the basics", since I have close to no BnB-type combos in it. Yeah, that has a nice ring to it.

[Pokey86]

I think I'll go with a SF4 theme on the music, unoriginally enough. I've done that for my first SFIV AND my first SSFIV combo video, so why break the chain now? I do want an interesting name though, not just "SSFIV AE CV"... I'm thinking about something like "skipping the basics", since I have close to no BnB-type combos in it. Yeah, that has a nice ring to it.

Not a bad name. Could make it "Skippin' the basics" to be down with the kids though

[Doopliss]

Nah, I'm keeping it classy :3

[Maj]

"Skipping the Basics" sounds good to me, with or without the "g." Is it almost done or do you still have a lot to capture?

[Doopliss]

I'm actually rendering the final video now. I'll have to wait until after work tomorrow to upload it though, or I won't be able to focus on work/sleeping :S

EDIT: And of course Desk just uploaded his Oni CV, where he uses the exact same EX slash combo on Balrog as me, except he uses AIR U1 INSTEAD OF VERTICAL, and also the same EX hadokens into HK tatsu on Balrog into U1... though I use U2. So yeah, at least he did nothing that's 100% identical to mine, but me not being able to do air U1 after that EX-slash combo kinda grinds my gears, as I desperately looked for ways to combo into it besides the obvious.

However, even if I'd seen his video before I'd already made mine I wouldn't have removed said combos. And I have alot of stuff that's still new and exciting in there

[Pokey86]

Aww nuts just watched it, looks like i was wrong about Oni's oerhead, it must be JP 2. (Well one of them at least)

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Not to trample on Desks work, it's all obviousy great. But wouldn't he have been better off making the first hit of the HK - at the end of the last combo - Kill Sim? Woulda though the Float that the first hit causes, followed by the post death slamdown. Woulda looked a bit better.

Still, amazing work.

[Maj]

May as well wait until tomorrow to release your video then. Althought i really don't think that repeating day-one combos is that big a deal. One or two people might post u2b comments talking about how they saw the same combo in desk's video, but they're a tiny minority. Everyone else either won't watch both videos or won't pay close enough attention to notice.

[Doopliss]

Of course. The main reason I was bothered was because I thought I used the 2nd combo as my Oni coup de grâce, but when I re-watched it, that was not the case.

[Maj]

Evil Ryu > DBZ Akuma anyway.

[Doopliss]

http://combovid.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=492

There it is.

[Doopliss]

Hmm, could someone with TA try to do a trade with T.Hawks U2, Normal Super or AE doesn't matter. I want to see the response for the other character.

[Snoooootch]

lol, DBZ akuma. I call him "Brolly" at my house.

So if you land the LAST hit of Vega's ex scarlet terror roll rollying crystal flash as a counter hit, can you combo in a st.hp to another ex rolling crystal flash, to a cr. mp, to ex izuna drop? Doop did part of it in his combo video, but I'm wondering if that's a way one could expand it. It would probably look stylish to even do a 3rd rolling crystal. Lp of course.

[Doopliss]

Don't think you can end up close enough to do s.HP. c.LP wouldn't even reach after EX RCF.

[Snoooootch]

Does it break focus attack? or maybe you can use the rose. ;P

[Doopliss]

You can actually roll INSIDE a soul spark, then get hit as soon as the last hit connects iirc, think I saw it somewhere.

[Snoooootch]

But it would have to be reversed so Vega gets pushed towards rose, right? Hm... I'm wondering is the combo is even worth it. lol

[Doopliss]

But it would have to be reversed so Vega gets pushed towards rose, right? Hm... I'm wondering is the combo is even worth it. lol

Shouldn't be too hard, just FADC LP Soul spark with rose full-screen, dash ahead, jump over Vega, do auto-corrected EX RCF.

[Maj]

It'd probably be easier to jump over Rose as she does LP Soul Spark xx whiff super. That way you get free charge instantly.